I laughed out loud at this part, perfect Aussie humour:
“Chilean Australian artist Juan Davila painted a work titled Picasso Theft and offered to donate it to the National Gallery of Victoria in place of the stolen painting. Davila wrote that "mine is a real one".[25] Davila's Picasso Theft was exhibited in the Sydney Avago Gallery, and then itself was stolen.”
> It has been suggested that the thieves knew their art history: the method of the theft was an ironic homage to the 1911 theft of the Mona Lisa from the Louvre.
In both cases, the thieves unscrewed the painting and took it. Feels a bit over the top to call it an homage, let alone an ironic one.
I think the irony is that in 1911, Picasso was accused of the theft, whereas in 1986, one of Picasso's works was stolen.
To say that is planned irony is a bit much
> McCaughey stated that a specialised type of screwdriver, not available to the public, would have been required to take the painting off the wall.
Why bother with measures such as alarms and security cameras when you have the Super Secret Screws!
Being regularly confronted with wretched special screws, there are all kinds of ways to get them out. The usual go-to tool is one designed to unscrew stripped screw heads.
Just the other day, I was confronted with a security screw that instead of having 4 flutes on it (Phillips head), it had 3. I just drilled it out.
Nothing worse than a screw you dont have a driver for. I resolved to just have drivers for everything
After going through several brands over the years, both domestic and foreign, that's the best set of driver bits that I have ever owned.
Kinda pricey, but well worth it.
No slotted Robertson :(
It very well could have just been Torx back then. I remember opening my original 128k Mac in '85 or so to do the 512K memory upgrade, and a weird specialized screwdriver (Torx) was required to open the case.
And n64 cartridges and cases. And snes too I think.
Another trick is to melt a plastic pen with a lighter and stick it on the screw and wait for it to cool.
Ha ha, that's Some Anarchist's-Cookbook-level stuff.
In reference to the suggestion that the 1986 theft was an homage to a 1911 theft:
> In 1911, Picasso and his contemporary Guillaume Apollinaire were both suspects in the Mona Lisa theft
> but were cleared of any association with the crime
being dead is quite a good alibi
> being dead is quite a good alibi
Maybe I'm misreading either TFA or your comment, but both Picasso and Apollinaire were alive in 1911?
Some more details from the Apollinaire wikipedia page:
> On 7 September 1911, police arrested and jailed Apollinaire on suspicion of aiding and abetting the theft of the Mona Lisa and a number of Egyptian statuettes from the Louvre, but released him a week later. The theft of the statues had been committed in 1907 by a former secretary of Apollinaire, Honoré Joseph Géry Pieret, who had recently returned one of the stolen statues to the French newspaper the Paris-Journal. Apollinaire implicated his friend Picasso, who had bought Iberian statues from Pieret, and who was also brought in for questioning in the theft of the Mona Lisa, but he was also exonerated. In fact, the theft of the Mona Lisa was perpetrated by Vincenzo Peruggia, an Italian house painter who acted alone and was only caught two years later when he tried to sell the painting in Florence.
The timing of the post suggests this episode was the genesis
"the possibility of an "inside job" was not considered."
Given the circumstances, it probably should have been...
But then again, this has a happy ending. The painting was returned undamaged, nobody's hurt. Cool read.
Art theft is a pretty cool crime.
There's nothing cool about stealing cultural artifacts and society's ability to enjoy them.
Only if it's a proper heist. I don't need more guys just walking in and taking something like they're shoplifting a candy bar. I need guys meticulously planning and executing a theft that dodges the very latest in alarm and anti-theft technology.
Bonus points for any rappeling and using tools that cut circular holes in glass.
"How to steal a million" - a boomerang rather than to screwdriver..
Agreed. If no one uses gymnastics to traverse a laser filled room it's actually pretty lame.
See "The Hot Rock".
Topkapi (1964)
Taking the discussion seriously, a case study of a well-planned heist that culminated in someone walking in at the right time and just taking the thing could actually be pretty interesting.
Right, all of these amateurs wanting to spend all this money on special glass cutting tools, rappelling equipment, bypassing alarms, or even some Ocean's 11 EMP ridiculousness when you just need a ~$10 tool and a big pair of brass ones to pull it off.
I mean, compared to arson, sure.
Compared to growing psychedelic mushrooms, I don't think so.
No crime should be described as "cool". Adherence is the foundation of a functioning society.
Although you could argue the law is not the best arbiter of mortality.
Lots of crimes are cool. Adherence is the foundation of slavery.
Functioning societies need every rule and law tested, and retested continually for suitability.
Rosa Parks did a cool crime
You may want to re-examine your own username.
It was civil disobedience then. What was the point? No idea, but that’s art for you.
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The painting was recovered undamaged. I’m not sure there was a huge loss
Yeah, don't mind Jeff the Large Language Model.
What's the point of doing that?
Every now and then, topics on HN are being brigaded by (among others) such accounts. But to do that effectively, you need to build a sizeable amount of accounts with some karma, and I think that's what is tried here with an LLM.
I laughed out loud at this part, perfect Aussie humour:
“Chilean Australian artist Juan Davila painted a work titled Picasso Theft and offered to donate it to the National Gallery of Victoria in place of the stolen painting. Davila wrote that "mine is a real one".[25] Davila's Picasso Theft was exhibited in the Sydney Avago Gallery, and then itself was stolen.”
> It has been suggested that the thieves knew their art history: the method of the theft was an ironic homage to the 1911 theft of the Mona Lisa from the Louvre.
In both cases, the thieves unscrewed the painting and took it. Feels a bit over the top to call it an homage, let alone an ironic one.
I think the irony is that in 1911, Picasso was accused of the theft, whereas in 1986, one of Picasso's works was stolen.
To say that is planned irony is a bit much
> McCaughey stated that a specialised type of screwdriver, not available to the public, would have been required to take the painting off the wall.
Why bother with measures such as alarms and security cameras when you have the Super Secret Screws!
Being regularly confronted with wretched special screws, there are all kinds of ways to get them out. The usual go-to tool is one designed to unscrew stripped screw heads.
Just the other day, I was confronted with a security screw that instead of having 4 flutes on it (Phillips head), it had 3. I just drilled it out.
Nothing worse than a screw you dont have a driver for. I resolved to just have drivers for everything
https://www.ifixit.com/products/mako-driver-kit-64-precision...
After going through several brands over the years, both domestic and foreign, that's the best set of driver bits that I have ever owned.
Kinda pricey, but well worth it.
No slotted Robertson :(
It very well could have just been Torx back then. I remember opening my original 128k Mac in '85 or so to do the 512K memory upgrade, and a weird specialized screwdriver (Torx) was required to open the case.
And n64 cartridges and cases. And snes too I think. Another trick is to melt a plastic pen with a lighter and stick it on the screw and wait for it to cool.
Ha ha, that's Some Anarchist's-Cookbook-level stuff.
In reference to the suggestion that the 1986 theft was an homage to a 1911 theft:
> In 1911, Picasso and his contemporary Guillaume Apollinaire were both suspects in the Mona Lisa theft
> but were cleared of any association with the crime
being dead is quite a good alibi
> being dead is quite a good alibi
Maybe I'm misreading either TFA or your comment, but both Picasso and Apollinaire were alive in 1911?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Picasso https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Apollinaire
Some more details from the Apollinaire wikipedia page:
> On 7 September 1911, police arrested and jailed Apollinaire on suspicion of aiding and abetting the theft of the Mona Lisa and a number of Egyptian statuettes from the Louvre, but released him a week later. The theft of the statues had been committed in 1907 by a former secretary of Apollinaire, Honoré Joseph Géry Pieret, who had recently returned one of the stolen statues to the French newspaper the Paris-Journal. Apollinaire implicated his friend Picasso, who had bought Iberian statues from Pieret, and who was also brought in for questioning in the theft of the Mona Lisa, but he was also exonerated. In fact, the theft of the Mona Lisa was perpetrated by Vincenzo Peruggia, an Italian house painter who acted alone and was only caught two years later when he tried to sell the painting in Florence.
Great video about this “incident” and art theft in general https://youtu.be/EwK24E7QryU
The timing of the post suggests this episode was the genesis
"the possibility of an "inside job" was not considered."
Given the circumstances, it probably should have been...
But then again, this has a happy ending. The painting was returned undamaged, nobody's hurt. Cool read.
Art theft is a pretty cool crime.
There's nothing cool about stealing cultural artifacts and society's ability to enjoy them.
Only if it's a proper heist. I don't need more guys just walking in and taking something like they're shoplifting a candy bar. I need guys meticulously planning and executing a theft that dodges the very latest in alarm and anti-theft technology.
Bonus points for any rappeling and using tools that cut circular holes in glass.
"How to steal a million" - a boomerang rather than to screwdriver..
Agreed. If no one uses gymnastics to traverse a laser filled room it's actually pretty lame.
See "The Hot Rock".
Topkapi (1964)
Taking the discussion seriously, a case study of a well-planned heist that culminated in someone walking in at the right time and just taking the thing could actually be pretty interesting.
Right, all of these amateurs wanting to spend all this money on special glass cutting tools, rappelling equipment, bypassing alarms, or even some Ocean's 11 EMP ridiculousness when you just need a ~$10 tool and a big pair of brass ones to pull it off.
I mean, compared to arson, sure.
Compared to growing psychedelic mushrooms, I don't think so.
No crime should be described as "cool". Adherence is the foundation of a functioning society.
Although you could argue the law is not the best arbiter of mortality.
Lots of crimes are cool. Adherence is the foundation of slavery.
Functioning societies need every rule and law tested, and retested continually for suitability.
Rosa Parks did a cool crime
You may want to re-examine your own username.
It was civil disobedience then. What was the point? No idea, but that’s art for you.
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The painting was recovered undamaged. I’m not sure there was a huge loss
Yeah, don't mind Jeff the Large Language Model.
What's the point of doing that?
Every now and then, topics on HN are being brigaded by (among others) such accounts. But to do that effectively, you need to build a sizeable amount of accounts with some karma, and I think that's what is tried here with an LLM.
Last time I was very suspicious about the discussion, was here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45809866 Lots of comments from new-ish accounts.
Eroding our sanity little by little, perhaps.
There are several accounts doing this now. People are weird, who knows why they do stupid things.
https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=alan-jordan13 This one has been shadowbanned, for another example.
I could ask the same thing about many human commenters with irrelevant or as-predictable-as-a-robot talking points.
Yeah but those make sense. They're trying to connect in a safe way.
But to have an account that just automatically replies with obvious LLM answers? I don't see a point to that is what I'm saying.
At least that question has the possible answer of "an attempt, however misguided, at human connection".