Went to college around the area and worked for some of the tribes up there. Very interesting... mystery or something, I remember the the news around the 2019/2021 incidents.
Fascinating story.
One thing that I don't understand though. The theory is they washed up a local river, got embedded in sediment and are only now being released. Given that, I would have thought their condition would be much worse. More likely that they were well-packaged on the wreck and have only just been released ?
>More likely that they were well-packaged on the wreck and have only just been released ?
No not at all. Embedded in sediment would preserve them better.
Like bog shoes?
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The leather on those shoes are in nearly perfect condition! How can that be possible??
Likely anoxic or anaerobic conditions where nothing decomposes. It isn’t that uncommon in nature.
I wouldn’t call those near perfect. Parts have clearly rotted away.
Leather can survive for surprisingly long time in anoxic environment. E.g. in a swamp.
Not only for a surprisingly long time, but also in surprisingly good condition. For example at Vindolanda on Hadrian's Wall archeologists have found not one or two, or even ten but over 5000 amazingly preserved Roman shoes that were apparently thrown away into the fortress's moat and survived buried in the mud <https://www.vindolanda.com/Blog/the-curators-favourite-shoes>.
Hilariously they're never found a pair of shoes, only singles. So that's why they think they were thrown away as rubbish, because one shoe broke so they threw it in the ditch. In the museum on site there's a fantastic "wall of shoes" on display where you can see the amazing leatherwork from 2000 years ago <https://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/37305>.
My prior understanding was that before the industrial revolution dramatically reduced the labor costs, clothing was expensive. Most people only owned two or three outfits, and replacing one would cost a month's wages sort of expensive.
How could one afford to throw away a perfectly good non-matching shoe?
they threw away the broken one after replacing it with a new one. they didn't replace the good one.
when shoes are hand made it makes sense to not make them only in pairs if only one shoe is needed
Why not fix the broken one?
Looking at those mesh-like patters in the shoes, makes me wonder how long each one took to be made.
That baby bootie is amazing. It's not very different than the ones I put on my kids when they were infants.
I'll give a more gruesome reason.
They were attached to corpses, and the corpses are starting to completely decompose. Now the shoes fall off the feet. It could even be a local disturbance, such as something feeding on the corpses (crabs, etc) after the silt receded.
That's reasonably probable save for "and the corpses are starting to completely decompose".
The geology of the island of Great Britain is such that it has a steady rate of coastal erosion .. a number of villages once inland "far" from the sea have been lost to the sea.
Old churches and their graveyards are lost, previously unkonown mass burial pits are exposed as cliffs erode away and the remains (bones, clothes, shoes, etc) are lost to the water sometimes before it's even noticed.
Possible, sure. On balance, given the large numbers all at once, the theory about old shipwreck cargo being breached and freed has somewhat more weight.
If it was a graveyard you’d also expect many artifacts of different eras, not just Victorian era shoes.
Period specific mass graves aren't uncommon in the UK - plague, flu, killed in battle, etc.
Read the full story, we're talking hundreds of shoes. And we have a record of a cargo ship carrying shoes sinking 150 years ago.
still mad that when discovery took over hbo, they axed that amazing show.
personaly,having found very old shoes, harness leather, beaded moccasins, and other probable organic artifacts, beach bone anyone? in a variety of useualy anoxic or acidic situations, I can then extrapolate, that these are common things to find if a person takes a moment to examine and confirm
that they are historical artifacts, and all in all the top 10 to 100 feet of most of our planet is a good place to look for direct evidence of past human activity, use a microscope and now 100% of the planets surface has an artifact.
How about some local performance that recreated shoes from the Victorian period. That ended up in the ocean?
I am reminded of the many shoes[0] that mysteriously wash up in the Pacific Northwest. At least the ones in the article don’t have feet in them.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_Sea_human_foot_discover...
Went to college around the area and worked for some of the tribes up there. Very interesting... mystery or something, I remember the the news around the 2019/2021 incidents.
Fascinating story.
One thing that I don't understand though. The theory is they washed up a local river, got embedded in sediment and are only now being released. Given that, I would have thought their condition would be much worse. More likely that they were well-packaged on the wreck and have only just been released ?
>More likely that they were well-packaged on the wreck and have only just been released ?
No not at all. Embedded in sediment would preserve them better.
Like bog shoes?
The leather on those shoes are in nearly perfect condition! How can that be possible??
Likely anoxic or anaerobic conditions where nothing decomposes. It isn’t that uncommon in nature.
I wouldn’t call those near perfect. Parts have clearly rotted away.
Leather can survive for surprisingly long time in anoxic environment. E.g. in a swamp.
Not only for a surprisingly long time, but also in surprisingly good condition. For example at Vindolanda on Hadrian's Wall archeologists have found not one or two, or even ten but over 5000 amazingly preserved Roman shoes that were apparently thrown away into the fortress's moat and survived buried in the mud <https://www.vindolanda.com/Blog/the-curators-favourite-shoes>.
Hilariously they're never found a pair of shoes, only singles. So that's why they think they were thrown away as rubbish, because one shoe broke so they threw it in the ditch. In the museum on site there's a fantastic "wall of shoes" on display where you can see the amazing leatherwork from 2000 years ago <https://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/37305>.
My prior understanding was that before the industrial revolution dramatically reduced the labor costs, clothing was expensive. Most people only owned two or three outfits, and replacing one would cost a month's wages sort of expensive.
How could one afford to throw away a perfectly good non-matching shoe?
they threw away the broken one after replacing it with a new one. they didn't replace the good one.
when shoes are hand made it makes sense to not make them only in pairs if only one shoe is needed
Why not fix the broken one?
Looking at those mesh-like patters in the shoes, makes me wonder how long each one took to be made.
Garfield phones are still my favorite: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47732553
That baby bootie is amazing. It's not very different than the ones I put on my kids when they were infants.
I'll give a more gruesome reason.
They were attached to corpses, and the corpses are starting to completely decompose. Now the shoes fall off the feet. It could even be a local disturbance, such as something feeding on the corpses (crabs, etc) after the silt receded.
That's reasonably probable save for "and the corpses are starting to completely decompose".
The geology of the island of Great Britain is such that it has a steady rate of coastal erosion .. a number of villages once inland "far" from the sea have been lost to the sea.
The villages of Clare and Foulness succumbed to erosion in the 15th century, that still continues to this day: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpwvj80yg40o
Old churches and their graveyards are lost, previously unkonown mass burial pits are exposed as cliffs erode away and the remains (bones, clothes, shoes, etc) are lost to the water sometimes before it's even noticed.
Possible, sure. On balance, given the large numbers all at once, the theory about old shipwreck cargo being breached and freed has somewhat more weight.
If it was a graveyard you’d also expect many artifacts of different eras, not just Victorian era shoes.
Period specific mass graves aren't uncommon in the UK - plague, flu, killed in battle, etc.
Read the full story, we're talking hundreds of shoes. And we have a record of a cargo ship carrying shoes sinking 150 years ago.
reported before Christmas by the BBC 1.
1. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy84ezd4421o
My hypothesis, since no-one mentioned it yet: beforeigners.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ASr0n5LnWnU
still mad that when discovery took over hbo, they axed that amazing show.
personaly,having found very old shoes, harness leather, beaded moccasins, and other probable organic artifacts, beach bone anyone? in a variety of useualy anoxic or acidic situations, I can then extrapolate, that these are common things to find if a person takes a moment to examine and confirm that they are historical artifacts, and all in all the top 10 to 100 feet of most of our planet is a good place to look for direct evidence of past human activity, use a microscope and now 100% of the planets surface has an artifact.
How about some local performance that recreated shoes from the Victorian period. That ended up in the ocean?