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Windows 9x Subsystem for Linux

For a second I thought github has updated to a clean and usable user interface. Then I realized that it's codeberg / forgejo ^^

2 hours agomicw

Did they recently update the design? I don't remember it looking this good. The dark mode is of the type I like (it's not too black! Unlike Github's) and the light mode is quite close to Github's design and thus familiar, but cleaner, less clutter, I think friendlier. And with nice touches like how the codeberg logo integrates into the header bar. There is a prominent rss feed button! Github doesn't event link one in the head (I think, the head is stuffed, at least my browser does not pick it up). The design not perfect (in dark mode the header should change to a darker color, like their docs page does, and the contrast between the two backgrounds colors is jarringly small, that needs a divider) but still, now I want to switch. It also loads so much faster. Having such a cool project hosted there helps as well.

33 minutes agoonli

Is it just me or do GitHub repos on on the main repo page on mobile not show stars???

9 minutes agouser3939382

Perhaps codeberg replaces github one day. Microsoft really should take things more seriously than they do right now. AI slop made them very lazy.

2 hours agoshevy-java

It happened with Oracle over and over. Bought MySQL, messed it up, mariaDB is king now. Bought openoffice, messed it up, now libreoffice is king. Created OEL, acted like complete asshats, messed it up, it just goes on and on.

And that doesn't even touch the Sun purchase, Solaris was impressive in its day, it could have had a stronger holding even today.

Microsoft's monopoly is a little like Oracle's was. Luck. Being ready at the right time. There was effective use of that luck, but that time has passed now.

Ah well.

2 hours agob112

The most important Monopoly that needs broken today is apple's stranglehold on innovation. The app store needs to be really open, not half baked, still in full apple control, EU bullshit that's happening right now.

15 minutes agoiamkrazy

I'm heartened that recent Linux kernels in 2026 can still target i386 systems!

Between i486, i586 and i686 there's been a steady drumbeat of Linux distros and kernel itself deprecating support

3 hours agosomeperson

Didn't mainline Linux drop i386 in like 2012? Wild it still functions tbh

3 hours agodrzaiusx11

I’m curious, are you running i386 devices or more philosophically opposed to deprecation?

3 hours agosetopt

Philosophically opposed.

I'd like to see indefinite support powered through emulation under a modern CI server hardware with rigorous automated test-suites, with maintenance potentially supported in part with AI.

But someone else should do this, of course.

an hour agosomeperson

> Proudly written without AI.

Love it!

2 hours agoinaprovaline

We need a humans.txt standard

an hour agomohamedkoubaa

And a HUMAN.md

an hour agocopperx

On the contrary, this is performative.

I've been in the media space, so I've seen artists do this for years now.

It's fucking bullshit. It's like handmade goods (some of which turned out to be sweatshop produced anyway).

At the end of the day all code is ephemeral. It provides value in the here and now. It doesn't doesn't last forever.

39 minutes agoechelon

I hope that everyone performatively produces high quality software without resorting to some statistical model.

6 minutes agobigfishrunning

Can't wait for the saga where people will start bikeshedding about whether a manually written bit of code was actually manually written.

I can already envision the contribution guidelines. You must install cameras all around you, like when taking a certification exam, and have them record you typing it all out, eye tracking included.

Only to then still get accused of "cheating" through I don't know, doing it all head of time with AI help, practicing the solution, and then just re-enacting it all.

18 minutes agoperching_aix

It's not bullshit to me. I'm interested in seeing what a human made, not what a clanker made.

34 minutes agobigstrat2003

Me too, but the question is how do we prove it's human made? Maybe we need a certification authority. Anybody can claim "human written code" and people like you will drool all over a clanker written code.

13 minutes agoiamkrazy

Careful there, you're going to make all the AI "artists" real mad with this one.

28 minutes agosevenzero

Could the be a good "mom and pop" OS to reduce (remote) IT maintenance workload for geeks from parent "clients"?

4 hours agojll29

> Could the be a good "mom and pop" OS

Hate to be that guy, but if that's your problem just hand them an iPad or a Chromebook. Unsatisfying, I know, but it's not like my mom is Mrs. Roberts.

A WSL-like for Win9x is mostly just for the lulz.

3 hours agoqsort

And most "moms and pops" are around Bill Gates age, which means they grew with technology and are quite proficient.

an hour agocopperx

My mom still uses her Zip drives

31 minutes agoNetOpWibby

No.

No one should be running Win9x for anything connected to the internet. Ever, full stop.

The only reason to touch it is for a dedicated retro gaming setup or (completely airgapped) for some industrial tool with drivers/software provided by a company that has been defunct for 25+ years.

3 hours agoArainach

Are there even still sufficiently large populations of win9x-compatible viruses online to make it a security issue anymore?

3 hours agosetopt

Maybe not viruses much any more, but definitely worms. (And also some automated malicious servers scattered about the Internet that pull lists of devices with certain ports open from Shodan et al, and then repeatedly attempt to attack/penetrate whatever's on those lists.)

There are several videos available on YouTube, of someone connecting a Win9x/2K/XP machine to the modern Internet, waiting just a few minutes, and then observing (through Process Explorer) the silent introduction of various payloads onto the system.

2 hours agoderefr

Did those machines have public routable IPv4 addresses or something?

an hour agoMikeRichardson

You didn't have a router with dialup, or early DSL, where the modem was a separate device. You'd often get publicly routable IPv4s in your university dorm, too. See also napster. :-)

33 minutes agouint8_t

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8 minutes agoperching_aix

> or (completely airgapped) for some industrial tool with drivers/software provided by a company that has been defunct for 25+ years.

this is a juicy enough target to justify such a virus.

2 hours agojjmarr

Can it run a Linux subsystem?

4 hours agonilslindemann

It seems similar to colinux.

2 hours agoDeathArrow

The idea is quite cool. How practical is it though? Last time I used a Win9x system or Win2k was ... many, many years ago.

2 hours agoshevy-java

Windows fans, like being a Mustang or Corvette fan, represent arrested development in last centuries technology...

3 hours agojohnea

Windows is closer to a "Just works" for my use cases. I think if you are more into running applications on a PC or writing software not related to the OS, it can be a good choice. Where I would choose linux for servers, multi-user IT style systems etc.

an hour agothe__alchemist

Windows as a product feels that way, but I think if you're a kernel hacker, that's not really true for you. Monolithic kernels for Unix-like operating systems like GNU/Linux aren't fundamentally that innovative either. (There's innovation within Linux, of course.)

I also don't really think computing advances in such a linear way. Lots of cool new tech is about digging up underappreciated insights from computing's distant past and applying it in a new context, or even just propagating it more widely.

I'm not saying Windows 9x in particular had anything super interesting going on. But all of the viable desktop and server operating systems are based on really old tech, and at the same time computing's distant past is full of hidden treasures.

2 hours agoisityettime

> I'm not saying Windows 9x in particular had anything super interesting going on.

Win9X and the VxD layer was a neat virtualization system running in a very resource-constrained environment with a lot of backwards compatibility requirements.

41 minutes agoEvanAnderson

And writing "Proudly written without AI." in README.md now is new black?

3 hours agogitowiec

It’s a craft like anything else. Some people enjoy building a table and feel a sense of accomplishment telling their friends “I built this.” Other people just want a table and buy one from Ikea

3 hours agojessetemp

And some people just click around in Fusion and have the table printed by a CNC and say "I made this", which is not true.

an hour agocopperx

My question is, if they did decide to use AI someday, would they remember to update README.md in the same commit? I would probably forget.

3 hours agodataflow

The agent will happily fix that for them. They are through like that.

3 hours agodrxzcl
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3 hours ago

It's like those labels of protected origin they put on high-quality artisan foods from the EU.

3 hours agosph