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Prolog Coding Horror

There's something quite illuminating with this first "horror", where they basically say "it's OK to report wrong answers, because you can check the answers".

I don't think I've ever felt like it's OK for my program to provide a list of answers where some are right and some are wrong, but reading this... and generally believing in P != NP.... maybe that's a decent way of looking at some stuff!

2 hours agortpg

I've actually run into this in the wild, with regards to sales forecasting. A program we were using returned zero if the error bars on a forecast were over 100%. For example, selling somewhere between 1 and 7 units, but averaging 3.

Returning 3 was "wrong", but infinitely more correct than retuning 0.

an hour agoZarathustra30

The article server is offline, but I assume they found out that prolog rule evaluation depends on the order the rules are presented in the program.

If so, the language they thought they were using (and that they should actually use) is datalog, not prolog.

Datalog has declarative semantics: All facts that are derivable from the base database and the rules will be derived by the interpreter, and it will not add extra hallucinated facts. If that's not true, it's a bug in the runtime, not in the language.

an hour agohedora

iirc, shor's algorithm for factoring relies on this.

9 minutes agocwillu

If you want to understand prolog, you must understand the four-port model:

https://grack.com/writing/school/enel553/report/prolog.html

41 minutes agommastrac

And to understand the four-port model is to understand solution-space navigation and pruning.

15 minutes agoAdieuToLogic

It's why smartphones lost all their ports: forbidden knowledge must not be leaked to the public.

11 minutes agocwillu

What do people use Prolog for in the real world? I learned about it on a university course and it seems so esoteric compared to other things on the course. Like something invented just for computer scientists to enjoy.

2 hours agoappil

Everything, you heard the joke about those who don't know Lisp end up reinventing it, well, the same can be said for Prolog.

26 minutes agosegmondy

20+ years ago, it was the backend for the business rules engine that processed various logging and monitoring events. The concept was interesting, the performance was terrible, and businesses mostly didn't want to touch it. After I setup clients with a generic set of rules that worked on Prolog facts, most all of my clients were happy to limit their changes to only those fact files.

an hour agobmitch3020

Dunno about Prolog, but Datomic uses datalog for its query language, and it’s excellent. Datalog is a subset of Prolog.

2 hours agochristophilus

Datalog may appear to be a subset, but it is quite distinct semantically.

an hour agoted_dunning

What is Datalog used for nowadays?

an hour agoraffael_de

Other than databases, program analysis. The polonius borrow checker in rustc uses datalog internally.

But you can use it for lots of things. Whenever I'm frustrated with graph based tools being slow (like build systems), I run the graph through a datalog engine for comparison. It's usually much, much faster.

an hour agoAlotOfReading
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Mostly overblown.