As someone who tries to "buy local", I have been a happy customer of the following recommended services for many months or years:
- Hetzner (Cloud)
- Brave (for transactional emails)
- Mollie
For monitoring I use and recommend UpDown.io!
> passkeys, the modern way to handle login that gets rid of password resets entirely
Doesn't that just trade password resets for passkey resets? Or do they permanently lock out users who lose their passkey?
Yeah you just allow setting a new passkey by sending an email link, just like password resets. Passkeys don't have to be remembered, can't be phished, and don't need 2FA.
The second one
I know it's boring to comment and say that something sounds like it was written by an AI, but this sounds like it was written by an AI. I am often especially suspicious of these listicle recommendation sites because it's pretty cheap and easy to have dozens of sites doing some list which just so happens to mention a specific service that 'quietly' does a 'surprisingly good job' of some doodad. This kind of submarine advertising feels like it might be quite common. Although in this case it seems they're trying more for a 'sponsorship' thing - 'our website got X views in Y days, sponsor us, random company!'
The use of the word genuinely is always a dead giveaway
It genuinely is.
On Herzner add Dokploy (Honduras, I prefer this even if it's not European) or Coolify (Hungary) to get a Vercel-like PaaS experience for free. Any others that are good?
We've been building canine.sh free and open source for an enterprise ready deployment platform.
Think about it like coolify is to a VPS as Canine is to Kubernetes.
Either way, one of the most critical parts is that many are still hosting on Google Cloud, AWS or Microsoft, therefore you are not 100% insulated from Cloud Act.
A lot of the alternatives there are tagged "EU hosted". Some are not.
Are the ones that are tagged "EU hosted" among the ones you mean host on Google Cloud, AWS or Microsoft?
Take Tally (tally.so), the one I took the time to check.
In their footer they say: Made and hosted in the EU which technically it's not wrong, but since they are using Google Cloud and Cloudflare, they are not insulated from the effect of the CLOUD Act.
Have a look to OVH VPS their offers are real cheap and if you're not scarred of openstack they have this too.
Thanks for listing Hanko as EU-based authentication provider.
To be upfront about this, we’re still on AWS (Frankfurt), but "EU-owned" hosting/data regions will be available very soon.
I don't think that's an alternative to US hyperscalers. Scaleway is the closest thing there is. Replacing a single service with 10 others is not really an alternative in my opinion.
Not putting all your eggs in one basket is a good choice. I think the AWS service catalog makes you adopt more than you need or want anyway, it is a great way of locking people into one vendor.
I would argue that with AI, this becomes less of an issue. Connect N services, deploy to bare metal. Granted, AI is an additional cost now local or remote. But so is the MacBook people use to develop their software.
any good reason to serve the EU? I am observing through various SaaS and support tickets and EU seem no average way more finicky and stingy than North American customers not to mention the absurd level of EU regulations you have to follow just to serve the same product at a much higher cost.
It's like a bad mix of culture (bordering on arrogance and pathological in some bad cases) and over regulation.
I always advise clients to avoid the EU at launch and focus on UK if they really want to do a test run and encourage them to focus on East Asia instead.
You'd think Europe is this affluent and sophisticated customer demographic but again and again from data I see it couldn't be further from the truth.
Maybe your product is just not an acceptable fit to EU customers?
(as in "you are pushing shite no one wants but not accustomized to getting a well-deserved push-back")
Happy to see my friends from Hanko on the list, they are great and you should really try their privacy-first authentication.
What about DNS buying/hosting? Seems it's not mentioned (neither is emailing besides transactional/marketing). I'm currently on DNSimple but been trying to replace it with some closer to home (Europe) alternative that still offers the same level of possible automation as DNSimple does, anyone know of any that fits the bill?
It's not European, rather a New Zealand company but I find https://zonomi.com/ pretty good. There's a Lego resolver that works fine https://github.com/go-acme/lego - although my only complaint is the DNS propagation takes a while though I suspect that's a my config problem (dig will show the txt record long before Lego sees it)
Wow, I'd never heard of Zonomi, or RimuHosting (which appears to be the parent company). Data centers in NZ & Oz & UK & Germany, and the website gives me the vibe of those customer focused companies of the late 90s / early 2000s, probably because they started in 2002. Pricing is a little more than I'd like, but I'm just pleased to see alternatives like this in Oceania.
Thanks for sharing! Bookmarked immediately.
Bunny.net is based in Europe
OVH is one of the cheapest and works satisfactorily for me. I went back to OVH when Gandi stopped being a recommendable company.
OVH's API allows full control of an account, but I don't know how that compares to DNSimple.
ClouDNS is probably the most popular one.
Haven’t used herzner but heard good things
I thought I will find GetResponse there, but they are fucking greedy!
As someone who tries to "buy local", I have been a happy customer of the following recommended services for many months or years:
- Hetzner (Cloud)
- Brave (for transactional emails)
- Mollie
For monitoring I use and recommend UpDown.io!
> passkeys, the modern way to handle login that gets rid of password resets entirely
Doesn't that just trade password resets for passkey resets? Or do they permanently lock out users who lose their passkey?
Yeah you just allow setting a new passkey by sending an email link, just like password resets. Passkeys don't have to be remembered, can't be phished, and don't need 2FA.
The second one
I know it's boring to comment and say that something sounds like it was written by an AI, but this sounds like it was written by an AI. I am often especially suspicious of these listicle recommendation sites because it's pretty cheap and easy to have dozens of sites doing some list which just so happens to mention a specific service that 'quietly' does a 'surprisingly good job' of some doodad. This kind of submarine advertising feels like it might be quite common. Although in this case it seems they're trying more for a 'sponsorship' thing - 'our website got X views in Y days, sponsor us, random company!'
The use of the word genuinely is always a dead giveaway
It genuinely is.
On Herzner add Dokploy (Honduras, I prefer this even if it's not European) or Coolify (Hungary) to get a Vercel-like PaaS experience for free. Any others that are good?
We've been building canine.sh free and open source for an enterprise ready deployment platform.
Think about it like coolify is to a VPS as Canine is to Kubernetes.
Look at lowendtalk/box
this website seems a clone of https://european-alternatives.eu/
Either way, one of the most critical parts is that many are still hosting on Google Cloud, AWS or Microsoft, therefore you are not 100% insulated from Cloud Act.
A lot of the alternatives there are tagged "EU hosted". Some are not.
Are the ones that are tagged "EU hosted" among the ones you mean host on Google Cloud, AWS or Microsoft?
Take Tally (tally.so), the one I took the time to check.
In their footer they say: Made and hosted in the EU which technically it's not wrong, but since they are using Google Cloud and Cloudflare, they are not insulated from the effect of the CLOUD Act.
Have a look to OVH VPS their offers are real cheap and if you're not scarred of openstack they have this too.
Thanks for listing Hanko as EU-based authentication provider.
To be upfront about this, we’re still on AWS (Frankfurt), but "EU-owned" hosting/data regions will be available very soon.
I don't think that's an alternative to US hyperscalers. Scaleway is the closest thing there is. Replacing a single service with 10 others is not really an alternative in my opinion.
Not putting all your eggs in one basket is a good choice. I think the AWS service catalog makes you adopt more than you need or want anyway, it is a great way of locking people into one vendor.
I would argue that with AI, this becomes less of an issue. Connect N services, deploy to bare metal. Granted, AI is an additional cost now local or remote. But so is the MacBook people use to develop their software.
any good reason to serve the EU? I am observing through various SaaS and support tickets and EU seem no average way more finicky and stingy than North American customers not to mention the absurd level of EU regulations you have to follow just to serve the same product at a much higher cost.
It's like a bad mix of culture (bordering on arrogance and pathological in some bad cases) and over regulation.
I always advise clients to avoid the EU at launch and focus on UK if they really want to do a test run and encourage them to focus on East Asia instead.
You'd think Europe is this affluent and sophisticated customer demographic but again and again from data I see it couldn't be further from the truth.
Maybe your product is just not an acceptable fit to EU customers?
(as in "you are pushing shite no one wants but not accustomized to getting a well-deserved push-back")
Happy to see my friends from Hanko on the list, they are great and you should really try their privacy-first authentication.
What about DNS buying/hosting? Seems it's not mentioned (neither is emailing besides transactional/marketing). I'm currently on DNSimple but been trying to replace it with some closer to home (Europe) alternative that still offers the same level of possible automation as DNSimple does, anyone know of any that fits the bill?
It's not European, rather a New Zealand company but I find https://zonomi.com/ pretty good. There's a Lego resolver that works fine https://github.com/go-acme/lego - although my only complaint is the DNS propagation takes a while though I suspect that's a my config problem (dig will show the txt record long before Lego sees it)
Wow, I'd never heard of Zonomi, or RimuHosting (which appears to be the parent company). Data centers in NZ & Oz & UK & Germany, and the website gives me the vibe of those customer focused companies of the late 90s / early 2000s, probably because they started in 2002. Pricing is a little more than I'd like, but I'm just pleased to see alternatives like this in Oceania.
Thanks for sharing! Bookmarked immediately.
Bunny.net is based in Europe
OVH is one of the cheapest and works satisfactorily for me. I went back to OVH when Gandi stopped being a recommendable company.
OVH's API allows full control of an account, but I don't know how that compares to DNSimple.
ClouDNS is probably the most popular one.
Haven’t used herzner but heard good things
I thought I will find GetResponse there, but they are fucking greedy!